Searching
for the (In)Visible
Interview with Milan Mijalkovic
The parking garage located between Sts. Cyril and Methodius St. and Macedonia Boulevard in Skopje took two years to build (from July 2011 to September 2013), a time when everyone’s eyes were wide open, anticipating the unusualness. Once the construction fencing was lifted, the quest for the (in)visible started. Opinions began flying around, intensifying with the appearance of the parking garage in the “ArchDaily”, the world's most visited and most prestigious architecture website.
The
quest ends with Milan Mijalkovic, our special guest. Along with PPAG
Architects, he is the author of the much talked-about façade, at the
sight of which you interrupt your walk or open the car window to have
a look.
Would
you give us the firsthand story of your much talked-about façade? To
what degree is it important for the here and now, when the
eye-catching and prize-winning façade of the parking garage has been
completed, we can see it, pause in front of it, take a closer look
and go through our personal visual (and functional) impressions?
We
received only a purchase price in the competition for the parking
garage near the city post office. We were told we went a little
overboard with the baroque. I would say that the public and business
space in our proposal was as baroque as the façade. Nevertheless,
they were so fond of the façade, they offered us to build it on
another parking garage which was already in the stage of planning and
had its own façade design. The design for the parking garage
(without the façade) belonged to a company called "Gorichanka".
Naturally, architecture is not intended to be told as a story, or
there would be no use building it, but the story is very effective in
creating spaces that bring about new perspectives. The story is very
important for the here and now, and it is also a way of honoring the
public. It attempts to make clear that things do not simply fall from
the sky or grow on trees. It tries to explain the process.
What
does the façade interpret?
What
the façade interprets are mainly wishes: first, the desire for
ornamentation, then the desire to be in tourists' photos, to be
European, but also to be what it is not.
You
offered conceptual architecture, revealing your exact inspiration /
the correlation between the facade and the buildings of 19th
century Vienna (you presented photographs that show this). You
did not try to hide the sameness or similarity with specific building
from another place or time, but rather left it out in the open for
everyone to see, developing it in your own creative way. Is this an
attempt at following old ways towards a new goal?
The
starting point for the façade was an amateur photo showing
residential buildings on a Viennese street from a tourist's
perspective. This perspective was then multiplied and dissolved into
several layers, resulting in a surface with a completely undefined
boundary. In fact, what we did was simply rearrange the wishes or the
process a bit differently, which of course brought about new
thematization of concepts such as amateurism, trivialization, beauty
or anxiety.
Your
parking garage façade rejects or rather rectifies the division
between what is important, less important or unimportant. Is
everything that the eyes see equally important?
Yes,
it is exactly that. Everything that the eyes see is equally
important, and only through equal rights of the visual, can one
oppose and overlook the factual inequality between the images and
discover the social, cultural and political differences. However,
seeing is only a small part of architecture.
In
literature, for instance, the genre never determines a priori the
literary value of the work. What about architecture?
International
architecture competitions rarely make a reference to architectural
styles. At the moment, styles are mainly being debated in the former
USSR republics, with a few exceptions in Europe. Nevertheless,
architectural styles are important for grasping the context and its
surrounding issues. Baroque is used for its effect on the masses, as
an attempt to discipline and moralize them, to create truth and
inject art into the real space of the observer, as well as reality
into deception. The question which arises is: why place all the
attention on a particular style, and not on spatial solutions,
spatial creativity and spatial answers? That is, nonetheless, another
story.
Can
rewards influence public opinion and to what extent? Did the majority
find your parking garage prettier after winning prizes? Is the
impression that the parking garage is suddenly liked by everyone (at
least by the majority compared to the beginning) real?
The
façade is not pretty, and because of this it can become prettier.
The reverse would be disastrous. In fact, not only was I not aiming
for beauty, but also deliberately tried to avoid it. Our façade was
intended to be peculiar, unusual, standing halfway between the
familiar and unfamiliar, hiding the uneasiness. In German, this is
known as 'unheimlich'.
How
does living at home and designing for abroad differ from the
opposite, living abroad, but designing for home? How much does
distance matter in this context?
I
believe that designing for home quiets down the emotions. I do not
think that distance helps see things more clearly. A great deal of
important information and a lot more is of course overlooked or lost
because of the distance, but designing and researching for home goes
hand in hand with confronting, dealing with and sorting out of
emotions. Internationality, on the other hand, is important for
gaining and exchanging experience, and it is not myself to whom I am
referring here, but rather to the recently missed opportunity of our
home to undergo design, as well as the lost opportunity to learn from
the experience of post-earthquake Skopje.
You
say that small spaces open up great freedoms. What exactly do you
mean by that?
A
tent in a field offers far greater freedom than a sports field in
Chile. Think about the spaces from your childhood: the space between
the buildings, the houses and the prefabs in Taftalidze where I grew
up was where I experienced the most powerful emotions and greatest
freedoms. With regard to proportions, during my last visit to Skopje,
I had a chance to visit the new State Archives where I felt like I
could not breathe: the extravagance of the façade starkly contrasted
by the meagerness of the space, that miserly space. Small spaces do
not always open up great freedoms.
You
have underlined many times that Skopje needs functions rather than
façades, and in this sense you have been promoting a concept of
combining seemingly conflicting functions which uses social mediation
as a way of truly completing and realizing finished designs. When is
a design truly completed? Is it when it is finally built, put to use,
or..?
As
an architect, I believe that planning and building until the very
moment of project opening are the most demanding stages in design
realization, but intelligent architecture continues to grow, change
and takes its shape according to its users and their needs. A
building, or more precisely, an architectural edifice does not end
with its tearing down. Its true end comes with oblivion. There is a
beautiful saying by an author whose name I cannot quite remember at
the moment: 'Anything is possible if there is nothing, and nothing is
possible if there is architecture'.
And
finally, modernism or postmodernism?
Actually,
I sort of despise postmodernism. Despite all its faults, I believe
that modernism may provide a sound basis. We should keep up with the
modernist practice of classifying and organizing things. Doubting
everything, even the truth, is wrong.
2014
Interview done by O. Kjorveziroska
Moj Klub. Magazin za tehnologii i moderno ziveenje
English translation: Milica Gjorchevska
Interview done by O. Kjorveziroska
Moj Klub. Magazin za tehnologii i moderno ziveenje
English translation: Milica Gjorchevska
Copyright: Milan Mijalkovic, 2020